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Sex is a way of controlling others.

Сообщение Diana1 » 06 июн 2010 00:12

The recent read article made me wonder if the real reason why some people constantly search for sex and romance is the source of getting attention, just the desire to be always desirable, and not the sex craving and further need for the sex satisfaction. Or perhaps, it might be a kind of human unhealthy longing to have someone to control over in order to feel oneself more powerful and meaningful.

http://www.narcissism101.com/Narcissist ... sexua.html

There are narcissists, whose symptoms may lead them to hyper-sexuality. The somatic narcissist gains narcissistic supply and admiration from sexual conquests. Normally the somatic narcissist stays within the law, but may break the rules of morality of a society.

The modern Divas or Don Juans need attention and will accept sexual attention as their due. They love being photographed and talked about. They like showing that they can break moral and sexual taboos (women singers kissing each other on TV shows). Attention is what they live for, they have very shallow personalities - many are serial lovers, marrying or having countless empty affairs. 'Hooking up' is the modern term used for an empty sexual encounter, much like going to a prostitute or gigolo. Friend with benefits or Bob, battery operated boyfriend, is modern masturbation. A hyper-sexualized society, with narcissistic leanings, will probably lead to more unhappiness, and unfulfilled needs.

I've known many a narcissist who was charming and seductive, graced with a glib tongue and a worldly manner, who could not keep his or her hands off the women, or men. Men and women with narcissism may seek sexual gratification as a way getting narcissistic attention/supply - they may say they are addicted to sex, but it is the attention and control they crave.
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Чем меньше вы симпатизируете другим, тем меньше у вас шансов заразиться их предрассудками.(YuN)
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Re: Sex is a way of controlling others.

Сообщение TheCursed » 06 июн 2010 04:20

Very correct and I know such persons. But I think that in this case sex itself isn't the problem. Similar types of people will use, for instance, friendships το get confirmation and/or control people.

Still, if put in a wider context, I find this to be one of the points of antisexualism.
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Сообщение Diana1 » 06 июн 2010 14:36

TheCursed писал(а):I think that in this case sex itself isn't the problem...


You are right, free of sex life is not a problem for them. They can quite easily go without sex and romance. I guess it might be more of a question for people to realize what's wrong with this kind of actions and why it is going on around. An ability to truly understand the universal human addiction to endogenous intoxication of romance, love, sex, constant attention and power getting, and its harmful effects on individuals, would be certainly benefit for those people.
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Сообщение SimplerReflections » 17 авг 2010 21:34

In the „announcement for newcomers“ potential new sexual members are cautioned against trying to run a psychological analysis of the antisexual's mind. - It's true that an antisexual psychological system simply doesn't exist. But the history of psychoanalysis, that is, depth psychology, shows time and again some ideas and some hints that could be viewed as germs of a possible antisexual psychological system, if ever such a system should emerge.

In 1911, when Adler gave a series of presentations about his ideas in Freud's evening circle, Freud cut Adler off because he thought those ideas were incompatible with psychoanalysis proper.
„He[Adler] concluded his lecture by arguing that sexuality was not at the source of neurosis, but represented the mask adopted by the masculine protest[the struggle for dominion and significance] for purposes of the neurosis. This perspective by no means minimized the importance of … sexual impulses: [but] they could never be causes, but were always worked-over material and a means of personal striving.“

Among the points of critique that Freud directed against Adler was the following one:
„Instead of the psychology of the libido, of sexuality, it[Adler's view] offers general psychology.“
The unconscious motives of neurosis, as Freud delineated them, centered on the ego's fear of being overwhelmed by sexual impulses.
But Adler thought that it was idle to talk about the presence of sexuality in neurosis, because, as he thought, sexuality had a similarly great significance for everyone. „He never denied the existence of libido qua libido; he simply argued that an explanation formulated in terms of libidinal dynamics was immaterial … for an understanding of neurotic conflict that was therapeutically meaningful … When Adler alluded to the 'arranged' or 'falsified' libido of the neurotic, he did not mean to deny the existence of 'primary' libido altogether.“
In Adler's own words:
„With regard to falsified libido, what we could call libido is simply not involved, but rather manifestations of the desire to 'count for something'.“

In Adler's view asexuality would be equivalent to a falsified libido masterly conducted, and in this case repressed, by the struggle for personal significance, for superiority. For instance, he would say a girl that claimed frigidity was really frigid indeed but that she was so in order to show her own independence in relation to sexual matters and hence her independence of men, her mastery of men. Expressions of sexuality, and also the total absence of sexuality, were just to be seen as symbolical representations of the private struggle for glory and dominion. In his later years Adler would go so far as to virtually claim that every sexual life outside the boundaries of marriage(and celibacy would count among these) was „falsified libido“ and hence a neurotic symptom.

But I think Adler already takes us a great deal away from the sex-obsession of Freud. Heinz Kohut is another name to mention here; he focused on narcissism and, with a different theoretical outlook than Adler, also made a strong case for the secondary quality of a perverted sex life, the primary cause lying in problems within the „self“.

But I think it's quite interesting to know how Freud used to misrepresent Adler in later times. He even accused Adler of believing that sex wasn't a drive in itself, but was always fueled by the striving for personal significance, the „will to power“. As we have seen, this is wrong. But, indeed, it would be a nice start for an antisexual psychology to begin with. And that's what I've come to believe. I believe sexuality is always a misguided outlet for aggressive conflicts. Even a girl who just wants to be „loved“ - displays the same erroneous craving for power. She wants to have sex with her boyfriend because only then she can be fully sure that her boyfriend really „wants“, really „desires“ her. Her sex life is basically an expression of her own insecurity to be accepted as a person plain and simple. Could she feel accepted just that way – her sex drive would diminish and she could experience personal worth without having to revert on the thrill of personal mastery experienced when she perceives how her body is desired and how she can control her boyfriend via her body(that is, via his craving for her body). -
In consequence, sex is always a sign of disordered self-esteem, it's just a substitute, and a highly unsatisfactory substitute, for the basic need to be appraised unconditionally in an interpersonal relationship – at least in regard to this girl it's a sign of that. Men may want to cover up other (distinctly non-sexual) needs.

And here we come to Freud's misjudgement of Adler's theory. The misjudgement I like so very much and which supplies the foundation of my own private theory as outlined above.

Well... what an overture. But it leads down to nothing. I couldn't find the quotation anymore. However Freud said something a little like this: According to Adler people just want 'to be above' and there's really no libidinal influence on them; if a husband sleeps with his wife, he doesn't do it for pleasure, he only does it to be 'above' her while sleeping with her.

Alas! Freud's imputation is false and in no way this has been Adler's opinion, but it would have been great if it had been so. Then indeed he would have been the first one to lay the foundation to an antisexual psychological system.

(Citations from Paul E. Stepansky, „In Freud's Shadow – Adler in Context“)
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Re: Sex is a way of controlling others.

Сообщение TheCursed » 31 авг 2010 14:42

Good post! :D
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